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Ctb · Apr 24, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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But from my understanding, we are debating about whether buying an item for way below the standard price is "right" or not. No lying is involved in this case of course

Not everyone has the same opinion about what constitutes lying. I consider it lying when you intentionally withold information for your own personal gain to someone else's detriment. One of the Webster's definition of the word lie even addresses that view:

"Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression."

I would say that agreeing to trade with someone at a price you know to be too low is giving a wrong impression of the value of the item, and it is with this definition I work.

But, again, if you see it differently we're just back to the question of why you care so much about something you claim to not care about.

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Not everyone has the same opinion about what constitutes lying. I consider it lying when you intentionally withold information for your own personal gain to someone else's detriment. One of the Webster's definition of the word lie even addresses that view:

"Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression."

I would say that agreeing to trade with someone at a price you know to be too low is giving a wrong impression of the value of the item, and it is with this definition I work.

But, again, if you see it differently we're just back to the question of why you care so much about something you claim to not care about.

Whats a fair value for a weapon for trade? I say its the agreed price between the buyer and sellers. Don't you agree? Or you want to take reference from some other price someone else sells for?

I mentioned that I don't care if people who used to respect me stopped respecting me after this thread. That doesn't stopped me from fighting for what I believed is correct.

Bryant Again · Apr 24, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by kobey

Whats a fair value for a weapon for trade? I say its the agreed price between the buyer and sellers. Don't you agree? Or you want to take reference from some other price someone else sells for?

Depends. Is the item you're buying about five times less the amount it's usually bought for?

Damn, this is just gonna come back down to what I posted earlier. Nevermind.

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

It's a player set market. As soon as a 100k+70e B/O is listed for the FoTM item, most will follow shortly.

Bryant Again · Apr 24, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

It's a player set market. As soon as a 100k+70e B/O is listed for the FoTM item, most will follow shortly.

Then let's provide a bit of context: This person picked up a "perfect" Iridescent Aegis near the release of Factions and is selling it for 12k.

All in all the responses to my question won't matter because it's a personal choice. Either teach them through telling or have them realize the price later on after they've sold it to you.

Steboy93 · Apr 24, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

To the OP:

Yes it is ok.

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

I buy for 12k, resell for the current value (or slightly under for a quicker sell)

That is trade. If people have an issue with that..I'm stumped tbh

Bryant Again · Apr 24, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

You could tell them a more accurate price, couldn't you?

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You could tell them a more accurate price, couldn't you?

I could, but why should I?

I done my research, they should do theirs.

I was no better when I was new. I over spent when buying, and sold good stuff too cheaply. That is the way of online trading. Good people learn, bad people don't.

Ctb · Apr 24, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Whats a fair value for a weapon for trade?

Goalposts are heavy and you shouldn't try to move them by yourself.

This thread, to this point, has been about whether or not it's fair game to knowingly pay less (assumed substantially less) than the current market value for an item because the seller doesn't know any better. As such, any metadiscussion about what constitutes a "fair trade value" is irrelevant. The assumed fair value is the market value for the purposes of this thread, and will stay that way so long as my participation is concerned.

I will say this about it, and nothing more: if someone is intentionally selling below market value, despite knowing market value, so be it. That's their choice. That is NOT the same thing as someone selling below market value because they have no context to set an appropriate price. They are entirely different circumstances and only the latter is under discussion.

furanshisuko · Apr 24, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

it would be cool if people would actualy tell those noobs to hold on to the item and sell it later when they know about prices and rares , i sold a req8 max zodiac bow for 15k it was a lot of money for me... back then when i was a noob

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

We can start a new kamadan babysitter team. Everytime you see someone selling below a fair value, pm them. You get one point. At the end of the day trade the points for keys and you get to open a secret chest. Some of the items you can find:

1) Hugz
2) Lovez
3) Kissez
4) Carebear Minipet

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by kobey

We can start a new kamadan babysitter team. Everytime you see someone selling below a fair value, pm them. You get one point. At the end of the day trade the points for keys and you get to open a secret chest. Some of the items you can find:

1) Hugz
2) Lovez
3) Kissez
4) Carebear Minipet

Maybe GW should police trades too, to make sure nobody has their game experience ruined by as 'bad' people

Bryant Again · Apr 24, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I could, but why should I?

So they don't get "screwed" over, so to speak. So they get a more "fair" reward for selling the item.

Notice the use of subjectives. You certainly don't have to teach them that way. One way or another, they'll find out about how much the item was really worth. It's just how you choose to teach them that matters.

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

I've done a lot of that here on Guru. I'm not going to waste my playing time though.

Ingame everyone is fair game.

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Goalposts are heavy and you shouldn't try to move them by yourself.

This thread, to this point, has been about whether or not it's fair game to knowingly pay less (assumed substantially less) than the current market value for an item because the seller doesn't know any better. As such, any metadiscussion about what constitutes a "fair trade value" is irrelevant. The assumed fair value is the market value for the purposes of this thread, and will stay that way so long as my participation is concerned.

I will say this about it, and nothing more: if someone is intentionally selling below market value, despite knowing market value, so be it. That's their choice. That is NOT the same thing as someone selling below market value because they have no context to set an appropriate price. They are entirely different circumstances and only the latter is under discussion.

Ok I get ya. Next time before I trade, I make sure the person know about the market price. I link them to the price guides, I intro them some PC gurus to do price checks for them. And hopefully, if he still has that item, I buy it from them for the market price. And then I go slap myself.

I should start a new guild with a tag: Your friendly babysiters [hugz]

Bryant Again · Apr 24, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I've done a lot of that here on Guru. I'm not going to waste my playing time though.

Ingame everyone is fair game.

How would you waste your playing time by telling them "that item's really worth 1000k"?

Ctb · Apr 24, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I could, but why should I?

Because not chasing players out of the game by screwing them over early on helps keep it from turning into a giant pile of suck full of idiots and elitist nerds... like what it has now.

Granted, there's so much other suck sitting around in Guild Wars that this wouldn't be enough alone, but it would be a start.

Sethellington · Apr 24, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

this reminds me of the "modern morals" section that comes in the Times 2 every day :P

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

How would you waste your playing time by telling them "that item's really worth 1000k"?

Because then I'm losing out obviously, plus it's not down to me to babysit people. No one held my hand when I was new. Everyone was trying to sell my non-max chaos axes for 5k claiming they were super rare etc...

I do my community work here, ingame time is my time.